Sunday, April 29, 2012

Forbidden


In the Old Testament, in the Book of Genesis, the apple was forbidden to Adam and Eve as the fruit of the tree of knowledge. How does one interpret this? Should we infer that we would all have been unborn if Eve had not disobeyed God's proscription? Because Eve and then Adam ate the apple, man was born and evolved. So was it God's purpose that no knowledge should dawn? That would have meant great foresight on the part of God, because we would not have evolved and put the rest of his creation, including Him, in fear of mortal danger. But then, the question arises: why the hell (or in heaven) did He create both Adam and Eve, and an object of temptation not to be experienced. In other words, these three objects were created not to unite. What a colossal paradox. Would it not have been wiser if He had not created a man and a woman who were not expected to know that they were man and woman, and potentially sexual beings capable of procreation; and then a fruit which could give them this knowledge, but which was forbidden? His best choice was not to create any of the three; second best, to create, if He had to, a man or a woman, and not the fruit; last, to create the fruit, and no man or woman (and eat the fruit Himself). Isn't something odd about this edict? Was God confused, or am I? How about you?

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Bhashwati wrote:
... the odd thing i realised as i was reading it is, that while it is 'tempting' to give a tongue in cheek shade to your words, actually you sound neither blasphemous nor impertinent.
As always, as with everything, your build up of the argument is impeccable and at the end that inviting question is like a cherry atop an apple.

im unable to visualise a god but i feel that it had to be a very fine mind that created this myth, essentially to embed in the collective human consciousness the paradox of conscious life, and for those who wish to heed, a faint subtext of caution. 

Evolve and self destruct
or 
Seek no further and go to seed, in other words desist and decay.

And the colours, so striking, so appropriate, temptation on a shiny platter with the blackness of sin lurking under.
thank you.
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pravingandhino1 said...

I am confused too: Adam was a man. Then how by eating an apple, a man was created? What were Adam and Eve, if not man and woman already? Fourth choice: not give procreational capability in Adam and Eve Also, the first few generations would have been so incestuous
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Charu said...

I interpret your caption to mean, you are "forbidden" to question words of bible.

Genesis is about unquestioning faith in creationism, sins, repentance and hell. There is no place for reason, questioning, and evolution (I prefer to use the word evolvement).

Path of faith, I mean "faith", can only be explained with faith. Reason and logic are inoperative faculties here. The twain shall never abut; let alone cross.

I prefer to understand this beautiful picture to say "an age of reason is dawning over the dark ages".

charu

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Anonymous said...

Fourth choice: not give procreational capability in Adam and Eve
Pravin

Anonymous said...

I am confused too: Adam was a man. Then how by eating an apple, a man was created? What were Adam and Eve, if not man and woman already?
Also, the first few generations would have been so incestious.

Anonymous said...

Bhai,

I interpret your caption to mean, you are "forbidden" to question words of bible.

Genesis is about unquestioning faith in creationism, sins, repentance and hell. There is no place for reason, questioning, and evolution (I prefer to use the word evolvement).

Path of faith, I mean "faith", can only be explained with faith. Reason and logic are inoperative faculties here. The twain shall never cross; let alone abut.

I prefer to understand this beautiful picture to say "an age of reason is dawning over the dark ages".

charu

Anonymous said...

Bhai,

Correction: The twain shall never abut; let alone cross.

charu

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir..

Your excellent and thought provoking blog has a subtle and an irresistible bait for me to respond. I would like to begin with a disclaimer that I am no expert on the Bible but I would like to share my thoughts on your paradox.

I beg to differ on your “best choice’ i.e. not to create any of the three but I personally feel that it was brilliant of God to have created all the three. God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden to give Adam and Eve a choice (free will) to obey Him or disobey Him. Adam and Eve were free to do anything they wanted, except eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If God had not given Adam and Eve the choice, they would have essentially been robots, simply doing what they were programmed to do. God created Adam and Eve to be “free” beings, able to make decisions, able to choose between good and evil. In order for Adam and Eve to truly be free, they had to have a choice. God truly loves us. To withhold the knowledge of good and evil from us would mean that we could not completely love Him back. You can only completely love someone when it is a choice, and you are not a captive, but give your love freely, knowing that you don't have to. That is why an all-knowing God and an all-loving God let us decide how to freely love Him. He has given us the freedom to extent that we can reject him.


The other argument is that God being all knowing, why did he plant the tree deliberately to tempt Adam and Eve. Using that logic...why would God create our ability to speak...when some of us choose to sin by using it wrongly to speak angry and hateful and lying words?

Why did God give is the ability to procreate, when many people use if wrongly, to sin.

We could actually go on and on, and in the end, there would be no creation at all.

There's nothing wrong with what God creates. It's we who make the choice for right or wrong.

On a human level...Why did the engineers facilitate the creating of the bridges? Some people have used bridges to jump off to kill themselves. We don't have to choose despair rather than hope.

Why do they build cars and roads, so many people are killed or maimed in accident? we, or the others involved don't have to be careless, or drunk, or tired and inattentive at the wheel...

Why begin a game of sport at all? Someone might get hurt...why create, some people may abuse the gifts of creation?

Personally, I am humbled by one verse in the Bible, For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts – Isaiah 55:8,9

Regards....Toms

Ramesh Gandhi said...

Among all living beings that we know on our planet that we call earth: plants, animals and homo sapiens, we are the only ones conscious of our being. We are aware that we are born, that we exist, and that we die. This consciousness has, as it has grown with our evolution, exponentially created in our minds more questions than we have the capacity to find answers for. We therefore became superstitious, and the cleverer among the superstitious created religion, which is therefore defined by me as organised superstition; as opposed to the insipid and incipient one.

All incomprehension, doubt and questions began to be relegated to something supernatural, in which the most convenient was religion, which was easily accessible, mostly non-committal, and completely abstruse. This became the basis of various levels of comfort for all the myriad ways in which we liveour lives, no matter what we did and how, in the ultimate reassurance that it must have been ordained, expected and planned.

I will not go into the history and an elaborate, inexhaustible detailing of how deceitful this subterfuge is, which we created in our own image and entirely for our convenience.

I admire your sincerity in your beliefs, and would not therefore want to take your support system away from you. Almost 99% of Believers are in fact non-Believers, inasmuch as what we call human civilisation is 99% going against the most fundamental and elementary aspects of the very religion that we created, founded, and then put to use only for our convenience.

Your narrative is confused at best, and as garbled as it is divorced from reason, common sense, or any other sense. So long as you can live with it, I wish you and your confederacy well, to the extent that your state of confused beliefs will endure and last.

However, in case this matter is of cardinal import to you, or to those very close to you, with your intensity and devotion to your beliefs, and if you would therefore like to launch upon the task of teaching me some lessons which you feel confident will guide me through the illuminated path towards what I call man-manufactured divinity, please feel invited at any time to seek me out for the purpose, and I will be available to respond and disabuse you of the entire notion and irrationality.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir

At the outset, i am really privileged and grateful to you for taking your time off to write an amazing personal mail to me. Due to my limitation in writing, i can only describe my feeling after reading your mail as "WOW" and this three letter word is an understatement of what i felt. The eloquence, clarity and wonderful choice of words(i had to refer few words in the dictionary) in your mail floored me. And thank you for your candid remarks.

Sir.. your invitation humbles me and i am more than willing to share my little experiences in my baby step journey from knowing about God to knowing God personally. Once again thank you for taking your time off to write to me and looking forward to sharing my experiences at your convienient time and expecting your counter thoughts...honestly Sir.. your vast knowledge daunts me...But its always been my pleasure you hear your counter views on what I hold very close to my heart and mind.

Regards....Toms